"TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. ultimatewarrior123. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. PR Beyonder (even when PR) was below full omnipotency, he got tricked by Doom and that pretty much gives it away for his omnipotent powers that should have included omniscience. If Iron Man can. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. Kuuko273. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. 0. No. 7740. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. @majestic99. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". And by feats Beyonder would totally curbstomp Glory. 0. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. Beyonder is the bigger god. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. 0. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. Follow 3313. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. Since he knows past. lazerbeak. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. 7. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. Location. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. PR Beyonder is avobe angels and HOTU Thanos is at presence level as I read in "The End" comics. The Crimson King. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. I'm not sure that PR MM is as strong as TLT because even when PR Beyonder and PR MM fought and stalemated, Beyonder as stated by MM only used a fraction of his power. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. 0. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. FollowHere's the deal. Air Legend. ago. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder>PR MM>LT. 0. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. The one below all (TOBA). 0. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. The Two fight in the beyond realm. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. I don't know a. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Michael and Lucy. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. Build Your Own Omnitrix. I almost think they should be banned. 2. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. 0. Omnipotence and omniscience. Manhattan are beings that. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. #12 Edited By Montaq. 1 year ago. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. 0. 13 years ago. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Crom-Cruach. Posted by u/galactusisathiccboi - 4 votes and 14 commentsLol at Battler stronger than PR Beyonder. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. "GL Kilowog >Odin Thor? "Perhaps not in sheer power, but in implementation. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). Round 1: No prep time. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. #1. let's wait and see his actual feats. 3rd. The One Above All. Forum Posts. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Marvel (and DC for that matter) didn’t have anythin beyond Multiverses back then in their cosmology. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. 11 years ago. If Doom goes at full confidence in. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Jul 30, 2018. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. Wiki Points. 3rd. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Forum Posts. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. Follow 26437. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Beyonder in a curbstomp. 9 years ago. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Wiki Points. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. . Oct 30, 2006. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. 9 years ago. Follow 15044. 5 years ago. Forum Posts. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Beyonder 39%. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Silver Age Superman doesn't have universe+ feats which the Cosmic Cube Beyonder had and PR Beyonder was beyond multiverse+ level. ) as regarding LT, you really must have. Doom. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that he. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. Forum Posts. #9 Edited By Supreme Marvel. Report Save. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. Funny, didn. This is hard to tell. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. R4: Mr. Gen. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Forum Posts. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. Beyonder escaped. Follow 3068. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Unless its stated Some ware that PR Beyonder is TTOA or has met and defeated (even if its of panel) True LT or Primal Force. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. 2 years ago. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. Well, uh. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. 29. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Gen. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. @kingant27 said:. Beyonder is the bigger god. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Reviews: 1. 1958325779 • 2 yr. There no need to insult. 10 years ago. elaine ftw. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 0. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. Forum Posts. 1. #6 Edited By icecream1991. Adm1ralSnackbar. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Followers. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. vs. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. Team 1 wins. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. ago. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. . 5 tons to punch a car. The Beyonder, in his own universe, attacked Protege and almost instantly Protege neutralized, Beyonder copying his powers. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. 5. Reply reply more replies. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. MJJ is top 5 in Marvel for reality warping, but he has very limited actual feats, but its. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. very mutch doubt that. #1. Follow 2797. PR Beyonder absolutely evaporates John Constantine from existence, then brings him back, only to evaporate him again. Forum Posts. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. TOAA is above all. 13 years agoAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @AtPhantom said: "The wiki is kinda correct, since he gained the power of omega beams when he acquired the effect. This is a toss up. Gen. #1. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. 0. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. This topic is locked from further discussion. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. Follow 334. . His isn't from another universe. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. LocatiNew Comics. 0. A. PR Beyonder (Marvel) Takes A DC Gauntlet. Basically this. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. ". He is another universe, pre-big bang. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. RULES:Morals off. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. green_skaar. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Nothing more needs to be said. Reviews: 0. 13 years ago. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. Followers. It would also destroy the. 313. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Hard to call in terms of power. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. u/nullfather can attest to that. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. . PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. lizyatearita. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. Beyonder saying he's omnipotent or gaining back his powers doesn't confirm his omnipotence. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. ago. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. To put it simply, PR Beyonder barely thinks of destroying John Constantine, in. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. . Dr. I know that Krona vs LT already exists but i havn't seen one where krona has all the items and i think it would be interresting to see them battleTakPR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. I forget her name. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Basically this. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. Forum Posts. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. 13 years ago. Nihilist. 2 years ago. master. And of course the LT himself. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. 0. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. Follow 6024. Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). Jul 30, 2018. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. Holo-Man • 3 yr. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. They are not the same character. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. Forums. doomsday49. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. The beyonder should be able to Reply CyberpunkV2077 • Additional comment actions. Forums. A universe that is more powerful than the multiverse. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Beyonder easily. 11 years ago. Manhattan's league. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. m99. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. #1 KalKent1297. ShootingNova. Bump. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore.